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GDP contracts by 0.3% in the 3rd quarter . Not great but probably not too horrible considering what we just went through. Only 5 days left!
Submitted by Ender on Thu, 2008-10-30 08:01
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GDP contracts by 0.3% in the 3rd quarter . Not great but probably not too horrible considering what we just went through. Only 5 days left!
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Geeze, how many skeletons does this guy have ...
in his electoral closet?
Does Obama know anyone who ISN'T a radical or a terrorist? I mean people he know BEFORE the start of this campaign, that is.
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Lets investigate further
Ok. Strike One.
Strike Two.
Yerrrrrrr outa therrrrre!
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Hmm...
Perhaps Palin really is now running against both Obama and McCain.
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
You probably meant it as a joke
But that actually does seem to be the way things are turning out. Not that that's a huge surprise, Palin got where she is by attacking the republican party establishment in Alaska. She's certainly ambitious.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
or/ Palin's excellent impression
of Lee Atwater.
It is the economy, stupid.
"Southern Strategy"
Terrorist Killers supporting Obama = don't vote for Obama
al-Qaeda supporting McCain = Reverse psychology
"Negrophobes" voting Republican just to keep down the others even more = acceptable
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
How is he a spokesman?
I addressed this here before: the campaign is uncritically calling Khalidi a "spokesman" for Arafat even though he never worked for either the PLO or Arafat himself. The sole connection - and I'm not making this up - is a book credit thanking them for allowing him access to archives for research. That and he's ethnically Palestinian. I guess that's enough to call him a "spokesman", a radical, and a terrorist?
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
Of course its enough
Just as you're a spokesman for the No on 8 campaign because you've spoken out against the proposition.
What are they paying you for your spokesman role, by the way?
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
Well, not QUITE a fair analogy
since I actually work for them as a volunteer. I make a slice of pizza and a bottle of water once a week. If we'd gotten more donations, I'd have been upgraded to pepperoni.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
We call it a "lie" here in the skymutt household...
Too bad for McCain he has slightly stronger ties to his unpopular BFF....
...now THAT is what "palling around" looks like :-p
skymutt: wise and powerful... enlightened...
Radical because he's Palestinian?
From the way that Hannity talks about it
(and boy does he talk about it), it sounds like this guy is "radical" because he considers it a "catastrophe" that his country lost a bunch of territory in a war, and he resents the country that occupied his homeland. How radical!
...and because he doesn't want partisan hacks knocking on his door with "urgent questions", he must be hiding something.
I wonder if I could pass this "radical test" myself -- I've been known to spend some time with a girl who takes pride in her Irish ancestry and won't drink British beer.
I love how an event from 2003 (KHALIDI's dinner) is suddenly "breaking news"... just like Gwen Ifill's book suddenly became "breaking news" the day before the VP debate -- even though it had been announced a few months before, and she had done a promotional binge over a month earlier.
An event doesn't become "urgent" just because Fox News and othe Republican hacks haven't done their homework.
"You have seen how a man was made a slave; you shall see how a slave was made a man." --Frederick Douglas
If I haven't seen, it's news to me.
Coming from someone in a family that has an inherent distrust of non-Republicans, I can tell you that none of them get that a possible valid reason why the tape is not released is that anti-Obama
advocates will intentionally mislead people and break out the Obama is secret Muslim meme even more.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
sure it's newsworthy...
I won't deny that it is worthwhile to report on these issues...but it should be in a feature or a documentary...not "breaking news". I just hate how these guys expect everyone else to drop what they are doing (wanting Ifill to resign from the VP debate; wanting this Palestinian guy to do an interview) just because these clowns have decided to "break" some old news the day before a big event (the VP debate and the election, respectively)
Regardless of the details, I think it would be irresponsible for journalists to contribute to a story that is likely to be blown out of proportion when we won't have enough time to fully evaluate the story before making our decision.
This seems like just another desparate move by the McCain campaign to sow some confusion immediately before the election -- a sort of "hail Mary" play.
"You have seen how a man was made a slave; you shall see how a slave was made a man." --Frederick Douglas
Obama full of $h!t...
A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them...
“Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
This is weak.
Let's look at the AP writer's "debunking" of Obama's comments:
That is Obama's being "less than upfront"??? In other words, "many economists" (none named) think it may not be possible. Or it might be. But even if it is, we still face uncertainty. Or maybe not.
I'd agree, although the quote they pull also talks about eliminating other tax breaks, which they convenient leave out of their list. So who's being less than upfront here?
Um.. what? That isn't even a coherent thought.
The only point they're right about is the notion of spending cuts "above ad beyond their costs", which is disingenuous of Obama. But it looks like they had one strong point, and desperately tried to stuff in a few weak or incoherent criticisms to get it article-length.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
Another Dem Derangement Underway!
FOXNEWS: MCCAIN GAINS 6 IN WEEK; DOWN 3 TO OBAMA...
Poll gives McCain lead in Florida early voting?...
Texan's think Obama is a Muslim
MAG: FCC Probe Signals Democratic Attack Machine...
“Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
This site is wildly unbalanced
Look at the conservatives dominating the recent comments!
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
LOL! ;-)
n/t
“Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
McCain in Sandusky
John McCain is going to be speaking shortly about two blocks down from my house. I leave to run a few errands and someone stole my parking spot to see Mr. McCain give a speech. I had to park two blocks down from my normal spot. Damned Republicans!
I was going to go and do some first-hand reporting for SC, but the friendly police officer said I couldn't go down my sidewalk to see what all the fuss was about. I had to try a different route.
At that point I decided I didn't care enough to walk around the block.
FWIW, I'd estimate about 3-4,000 people there to see him. Not a bad turnout considering Sandusky is heavily Democratic (although the surrounding area is pretty red).
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
I bet McCain's not even there for a rally:
He just wants to ride the Maverick
at Cedar Point, appropriately enough. The thousand people you saw are just waiting in line, too.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
He'd be sorely disappointed
I'm almost positive that all the coasters are shut down for the season since CP is running their annual Halloweekends stuff.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
More evidence...Even if it is in the form of Billy O
“Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
Effects of Prop 8
I wonder if that will end up being a net gain for either candidate. Arguments can be made either way.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
what about independents?
O'Reilly is comparing an apple to half of an orange.
He compares polls to party identification -- saying that Dems and Reps all vote for their own (or that they switch with equal probability) is a big assumption. LIkewise, it is a big assumption to assume that independents don't lean one way or another.
"You have seen how a man was made a slave; you shall see how a slave was made a man." --Frederick Douglas
Liberal Media Bias Confirmed!
“Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
Of course the assumption there
is that McCain and Obama were equally deserving of criticism in that time period. Accuracy doesn't always require balance.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Bingo.
If a McCain aide calls his running mate a "whackjob", it's hard to report on that without making it a negative story. If there are no Obama aides calling Biden a whackjob, it's hard to demand equity like that.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
Reality has a liberal bias
I bet there are also more negative vs. positive stories about piles of steaming crap than there are about daisies. ;)
We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki
What should we do about it?
Assuming everything in your post is true, what should we do to remedy this?
Do we need quotas -- a sort of Affirmative Action program for conservative journalists? If so, how is this any different than the crowing of the right over the fairness doctrine?
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
It is just like..
....the NYT not running JM's opted piece, but running Obama's. America used to have journalistic standards, equanimity with respect to media coverage. No longer.
The market determines the fairness doctrine on its own. If liberals wan to compete, go on radio and compete. It is a stupid law!
“Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
The NYT's qualms with
The NYT's qualms with McCain's piece is that they noticed it was recycled when they saw it. They felt Obama's wasn't recycled.
One would need to make an argument that the Op-ed pieces were nominally different in original content to make an argument that their decision was unfair.
I haven't read you denouncing any one right of center including Palin's using ex post facto decision making to go ahead and fire her former family member well after he was disciplined. Talk about the bias coming from R_W.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Fair enough
So America then has no journalistic standards and is in the tank for the Democrat in all cases. I suppose there'd be nothing to do about it except complain or organize private boycotts of liberal media. There is apparently no law Congress could pass to remedy such a fraud perpetrated by the biased liberal media. Is this your view?
That strongly implies that liberals need the fairness doctrine because the market does not respond to their viewpoint on talk radio. The market desires a conservative viewpoint.
If that is true, then why don't all these newspapers and cable news stations lose readers and viewership because they aren't properly serving the market? If there was a market for news that wasn't so biased by liberals, wouldn't it exist as it does in talk radio?
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
McCain gains momentum coming into closing week ...
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Did you see this poll?
I polled everyone in my house.
So far, we've got 1 for Nader, 1 undecided, and I think Zeus the Ferret is going to sit this one out.
Looks like Nader is cruising to victory.
Joking aside, the reason why this poll doesn't compare with last weeks poll is because the internals are different. They got more samples from Republicans. Sullivan has the scoop
.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
So what you are saying (pointing out) ...
is that the previous polls showing huge leads for Obama were skewed in favor of the Democrats (D-401 to R-345) whereas this week's poll was at least a little closer to reality (D-379 to R-364)? Hmmm.
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I wonder how many of these Independents
are a) going to vote for third party candidates, or b) are not going to vote at all.
It is the economy, stupid.
Minor party support
Minor party/indy support regularly falls apart a few days before the election. Nader was polling upwards of 5% in Florida in 2000 the week of the election. He only ended up with 1.6% on election day.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
Everyone is dumber in Texas
A University of Texas poll finds that in McCain-favoring Texas, 23% of voters believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Who paid for Obama's education, hmmmmmmmm...?
Apparently, Malcolm X's lawyer, Percy Sutton, knows a little something interesting about our good ole friend Barry.
“Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
I give-- who DID pay for Obama's education?
I don't see any answers to the question here...
skymutt: wise and powerful... enlightened...
There's a cut-and-paste meme about Obama's school funding
that's not only based on a rambling and nonsensical attempt at association, but it's also a sad rehash of an earlier attempt
to do the same thing - and with different alleged "funders".
One or the other is often tied into an argument that Obama got where he is through affirmative action, because it's somehow unbelievable that the president of the Harvard Law Review might merit scholarship funding on his own.
edit: Not only did Obama have radical Muslims funding his education, but he has Hugo Chavez
and other crazy foreigners
funding his campaign.
Do you sense a trend?
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
McCain's people kicking supporters out of rallys now!
www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2008/10/28/news/local_news/doc49068f6ccce49245010961.txt
Really....Here's what it says:
"David Zarifis, director of public safety for the University of Northern Iowa, said McCain staffers requested UNI police assist in escorting out “about four or five” people from the rally prior to McCain’s speech. Zarifis said while the people who were taken out weren’t protesting or causing problems, McCain’s staff were worried they would during the speech. “Apparently, they had been identified by those staffers as potential protesters within the event,” Zarifis said. “The facility was rented by the RNC for the McCain campaign, so it’s really a private facility for them. We assisted in their desires to have those people removed.” Lara Elborno, a student at the University of Iowa, said she was approached by a police officer and a McCain staffer and was told she had to leave or she would be arrested for trespassing. “It was a very confusing, very frustrating situation,” Elborno said. “I said that I had a right to be there, I wasn’t doing anything disruptive — I was sitting, waiting for the rally to start.” She said McCain staffers wouldn’t tell her why she was being asked to leave and when she got outside, she saw “a group of about 20 people” who had all been asked to leave. “When I started talking to them, it kind of became clear that they were kind of just telling people to leave that they thought maybe would be disruptive, but based on what? Based on how they looked,” Elborno said. “It was pretty much all young people, the college demographic.”
Elborno said even McCain supporters were among those being asked to leave.
“I saw a couple that had been escorted out and they were confused as well, and the girl was crying, so I said ‘Why are you crying? and she said ‘I already voted for McCain, I’m a Republican, and they said we had to leave because we didn’t look right,’” Elborno said. “They were handpicking these people and they had nothing to go off of, besides the way the people looked.”
yea......that's all this country needs is a group of knuckleheads like these not just running the US into the ground but trenching through to China.